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| I just noticed this, and this diaper feels very different than the bamboos I got last spring when they were new. |
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This is from a thread you can find if you search on "rayon" ... hope it helps.
New rayon/Viscose Labels -
Our bamboo along with virtually all of the bamboo on the market is made using the viscose process. This process was developed about 100 years ago and uses chemicals to soften chopped up bamboo and then extrudes this liquid into fibres which are spun into yarn.
Our bamboo diapers with the new rayon/Viscose labels are the same as before we only changed the label to comply with Federal labeling regulations which do not recognize bamboo as a fiber. This applies to Canada, the US and Europe.
Rick Froese
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| I guess we have to take their word for it. Just like natural source vitamin e only has to conatin 10% natural source to say that. More polyester than anything in these diapers. |
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Actually if they were mostly polyester they'd be virtually indestructible since polyester is a very very long lasting and tough fabric. This is why some people feel that the organic cotton ones (or any 100% cotton diaper) is less durable, because it contains no polyester.
I would also think that if it was more than 15% polyester, they'd have to say so, they couldn't just 'hide' the polyester in with the rayon/viscose. Especially that, by definition, rayon is a fiber made with entirely natural materials (which are then transformed, which is why it can't be named simply 'bamboo') so it couldn't contain polyester. Check out the wikipedia definition for yourself:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayon
It's one thing to be upset that they haven't replaced what you consider to be defective product, that's understandable, but it's quite another to essentially accuse them of lying about the composition of their products.
Karen.
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| I hope this company appreciates you defending them to the depths of your soul. Replacing the diapers is moot at this point. Recognizing there may be a problem and showing some interest in helping find out what the problem is would be nice, and appropriate. I correct myself I mean to say more synthetic than anything, not polyester. |
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So will you help us then figure this out by detailing your washing routine and any other helpful information on the "attn:" thread, daisycat?
Half of my bamboo dipes had "85%bamboo, 15% poly" and the other half had "85%viscose, 15%poly" tags. They were ordered 2 weeks apart. They all felt the same to me and I don't know which tag the one with the bald spot on it had. I have since cut them all off since the tags were fraying.
As with most products, there is a certain amount of trust that is obvious between consumer/manufacturer. Labels & ingredient lists are found on almost everything. |
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I find this all very interesting because I am the one who first mentioned the rayon /viscose labels months ago. Soon after, I started seeing posts regarding issues with the bamboo dipes. Like DaisyCat, I too, noticed that the new bamboo dipes felt different. I know that ME has said they changed the labels to comply with federal regulations, however, I have looked at other bamboo dipes (bamboozles, as well as another local brand) and they all say 100% bamboo.
Not to stir up trouble, but definitely something to think about. |
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Hello Karen,
I understand that you are very pleased with ME products, as I am sure are many of us. I did 9 months of research before choosing to go with ME, and after talking to numerous cloth diapering mommies, I am still very happy with my decision to go with ME, and I would recommend their dipes to anyone and everyone; however, after the issues that some people have brought up, even if it is only a handful of complaints and issues, as consumers of ME products, we should seriously consider these issues and question why they are happening. I think it is a very healthy thing to do and I think that it will only help ME better understand what is going on. I know that Me has great customer service and great products, but I don't agree with the way they are handling the current issue with the bamboo dipes. I think that DaisyCat has every reason to be upset about the way ME dealt with the situation. Considering the fact that most, if not all of us are extremely conservative with the way we wash our dipes, because we want them to last, ME needs to give us the benefit of the doubt, and thus replace the faulty diapers; this is the responsible thing to do. If they don't believe that we, as consumers, follow their washing instructions and do not use harsh chemicals, they need to do their own lab testing to ensure this. Until then, they need to give us the benefit of the doubt, the same way we do when they tell us that they have changed the labels on their dipes because of federal standards; by the way, I feel that they should have warned us of the changes to ther labels on the forum before being questioned about them...again this would be the responsible business thing to do. Instead, they waited to be questioned about it, and this I feel has tarnished their credibility regrading bamboo dipes even further because anyone having issues with bamboo is probably thinking that ME is trying to "cover' something up. If this is the case, then it is the fault of ME and them alone...not the fault of any posters bringing up issues or problems with bamboo and expressing their concern over bamboo products. That being said, my dipes are fine (touch wood), but I won't be buying anymore bamboo dipes until the problem has been solved. Am I anti ME because of this decison? NO! and neither is anyone else who chooses not to go with bamboo. We/they are simply smart consumers who are riding out the kinks before spending any more money on a product that is, as far as I am concerned of questionable quality. Yes, bamboo is great, but lets be honest, many of us/all of us have bought cloth dipes with the expectation that they will last more than 1 child. ME says they will last through 1 child to protect themselves, but previous ME dipe users know that ME dipes are MUCH MORE durable than this. So as far as best bang for my buck......I don't think bamboo is the best bet. Those who are not as concerned with money,can feel free to test drive the bamboo for as long as they want to, but I don't want to spend any more money on cloth dipes, so until the bamboo issues are resolved, I am sticking to bleached cotton, should I need to buy more diapers. |
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Defending them to the depths of my soul??? Come on!! I just don't appreciate you first attacking fellow posters and then making completly unfounded and extremely serious accusations against a company I strongly believe in. I'm just calling things as I see them, period.
If you could at least be polite to your fellow posters it might be different and I might be more sympathetic to you. But the minute someone doesn't jump on the "I hate ME, they're all crooks and liars" bandwagon, you attack them. Some of us are beginning to think that *maybe* there could be something going on (myself included in case you're interested) and are trying to dig into it in a positive way. All you're interested in is spewing anger.
Karen.
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Liz,
You're perfectly entitled to your opion on this situation and I respect that. But I just don't agree that ME should just replace someone's diapers without question and without evidence that there is a systematic problem with the diapers. The fact is that they are a business and they simply can't do business that way. They would be opening themselves up to serious abuse (not by Daisycat or probably anyone on this board even, but by others who would hear of their replacing products so easily). They have shown (with the replacing of all the first batch of bamboo OS) that they are willing to stand by their products when there is a problem. I have no reason to believe they wouldn't do so again if there were evidence of a problem.
And I'm sorry, but 2-3 people with premature balding of diapers is just not tangible evidence of defective product. It does warrant ME standing up and paying attention, which we have no reason to think they haven't. But considering the hundreds (if not thousands) of customers happily using bamboo, 2-3 people just doesn't truly indicate a problem yet. Note that I said 'yet'. If problem cases keep cropping up then that might start to change things but as they are now, I don't believe there's enough evidence for ME to start just handing out free diapers.
It does merit discussion though and everyone having all the information so they can to make informed decisions about their purchases. I have no problem with that in the least. People can criticize and talk about possible problems with bamboo (or even ME as a company) all they want. But I do think it should be done in a respectful way. It's not respectful to take a simple change of labelling and with no other evidence essentially call ME a bunch of liars. You had similar questions/concerns about the labelling and posted about it. I have no problems with that. You did it in a respectful way, she didn't. You have considerably more information with which to question the labelling and although I don't necessarily agree with your conclusions, I respect your right to ask those questions.
And by the way, if ME were really trying to 'cover things up' why are they even allowing such discussions in the first place? This is their forum, on their website. They could easily just remove any posts/threads that seriously question their products or company. But they haven't. The threads have been pretty inflammatory, with titles such as "I'll never buy ME again" and "Save your money on bamboo". Not only have they not removed those threads, but they've only responded once in an extremely polite and professional way. They're just letting everyone freely discuss whatever they want and I think that says a lot about them. Way more than some slightly confusing change of labels does.
I should also note that my biggest problem with Daisycat is the way she's treated her fellow posters. She's been very rude to anyone who disagrees with her or even questions her assertions. She even went so far as accusing a long-time poster of being some kind of 'double-agent' for ME!!! That's just going too far!
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| I did not attack any posters , and was polite to fellow posters. If people thought that I apologize ,reading my old posts I am just not seeing it anywhere.In my conversation with the owner of this comapany it was totally implied that people are not being honest about washing rotuines. But agian youwill doubt this and defend them. Please direct me to my rude posts. |
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Hello! I am the "double agent" (hee hee!) to which Karen is referring in relation to Daisycat's original post. Yes, Dasiycat did directly express her impression that she thought I must work for ME because of my defense of the company. I posted that I certainly was not and that I was a regular mommy too. Daisycat had no response to me and I really didn't care because I had a good chuckle at the idea.
I agree with Karen in that Daisycat is going about things in a negative way and that she would have more success and support from ME and other posters if she had less of a chip on her shoulders.
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Well, how about what you just said to me about "defending ME from the depths of my soul". Not an attack per say, but definetly pretty darn snarky! Or how about your very last post about how I'll surely doubt you and defend them. What was the point of that exactly other than snarkiness? For the record I have never once doubted you or accused you of being dishonest in any way. I have simply given alternate viewpoints of what might have caused the problem with your diapers, disagreed with your stance that ME should replace your diapers and taken issue with the tone of your posts.
And how about when you told wickenching "Clearly you have some vested interest in this company beyond being a consumer. You are privy to some information here I did not share on this or any other forum." That's not accusing her of being dishonest about who she is and of being affiliated in some way with ME? Seems pretty darn rude to me. She even politely asked what you were talking about with the comment of her being privy to information you hadn't shared and you completly ignored her. Not exactly the depths of politeness.
I'll correct myself, you get very snarky, impolite and rude when people question you.
And your responses in this whole thread have been nasty little jabs short on substance but long on insinuation. If you want to make a legitimate point, then by all means, make it. But do it in a thoughtful way with real information and do a bit of homework first. And try to remember that you are on a forum sponsored by ME and try to make your questions/criticism a little more respectful. You're way more likely to get people to see your point of view that way.
Oh, and you talk about ME not trying to do anything to look into this (though how you can know what they've done privatetly is a mystery to me) and not do anything positive. How about responding to Nakedbabytoes thread? She's making a sincere effort to see if there's a problem and if so, resolve it. Why not help her?
As for what was implied in your conversation. I wasn't there so I can't really comment on that. Perhaps they did make that insinuation and if they did it was rude and out-of-line. I could say that perhaps they get numerous calls from people who are indeed dishonest and that might become trying after a while, but there's no excuse really and they shouldn't treat any customer that way regardless of their past experiences with others. There's also the possibility that your anger clouded your judgement and made you sense accusations that weren't made.
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| I had no response to you because you were very rude to me. I am not new to these products ,and I too thought they had good customer service. Until I had a problem did I realize that may not be the case. Do not tell me it is gracious of them to send me one diaper when I spent over $100 in good faith on 6 diapers that did not last me 6 months. As far as giving it to a needy family, you know nothing of my financial situation, that is ridiculous. I have no chip on my shoulder I assure you, I would not want this to happen to anyone else. Your defence of the comapny in this particular situation boggles my mind, I always side with the consumer, especially mothers trying to do the right thing. At least question what happend, not assume they are right and I am wrong. |
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Well, I guess rudeness is all in the eye of the beholder, because in that thread I didn't really think she was rude at all. I thought you were the one that was quite aggressive in your opening post, that doesn't exactly invite sweet & friendly responses.
And you DID respond to her. Makes no sense to say you didn't respond because she was rude. You responded to the so-called rude post and ignored the indisputadly polite one. And in that response you were not only rude as well but also even went a step further by making insinuations about her honesty. That's way beyond rude! And what about your rudeness to me? What did I do to deserve it?
And speaking for myself here, no one is assuming they are right and you are wrong. I don't think *anyone* is in the wrong as far as their actions go (words on this forum is another story though). You didn't do anything wrong in washing your diapers or in reporting the problem to ME. And I don't feel they did anything wrong in their actions either. You keep saying they weren't willing to even look into it. Then why did they even ask you to send the diapers to them in the first place? If they just dismissed your complaint as a lie without even looking into it, then why bother going through all that?
There's nothing mind boggling in saying that we simply just don't see the situation as you do. There are valid opinions in the world other than yours and it's quite narrow-minded to just throw insults and nastiness to those who don't share it.
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You know what, just nevermind what I just said. I've stated my opinion, you obviously disagree so let's just leave it at that and agree to disagree. It doesn't matter why you were rude, or wether you think you were or not etc etc.
Don't take this the wrong way, but the fact is that I sincerely hope we do NOT figure out what went wrong. Just in the sense that I don't see anything really wrong with your washing routine (and it would have to be drastically wrong in order to wear out diapers in 6 months) so the only two options left are some bizzare set of unknown and unique circumstances that will probably never repeat themselves or that the diapers truly are defective. And while defective diapers may seem like a good thing to you because it would mean ME eating crow and admitting they were wrong, overall it would be a disaster for many many people and a complete loss of faith in a fabric that has great potential (if we could grow the stuff in N. America and stop using so many chemicals to make the fiber, it would be an absolutly amazing product for the environment).
I'm bowing out of this whole drama now. I may get into dramas like this, post a lot and post passionatly but the truth is that I don't do well with stuff like this and it just really gets under my skin. Not to mention that perhaps if I bow out, the drama itself will at least die down somewhat. I don't truly regret anything I've said and I stand by my opinions, but I do regret if my posts have fed negativeness and drama on the board. I love this place too much to continue feeding negativity into it.
Peace,
Karen.
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Let's all be honest here. If we want our diapers to be new looking, we use a little extra 'something' to wash. Whether it is Borax, Oxi-Clean, Bleach or just pure sunlight, we do something. It is normal for us women to want things clean and shiny. I know myself, I have used all four of these methods, and sunlight has been the only 'bleaching' method to work. Needless to say, the more chemicals you use, the more damage you will do to ANY fabric, ANY garment (diapers or not).<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src="/emoticons/icon_surprised.gif">ffice ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
You cannot blame ME for your decisions on experimenting with chemicals/cleaners, as they leave choosing your detergent up to you. How could the possibly make a recommendation when they sell diapers all over the world, with hundreds of thousands of different detergents on the market? I know a Mom who has used Borax on her diapers (5 children worth) and NEVER ONCE had an issue. She also used Bleach once in a while (for a deep cleaning) and although it may have thinned the diapers a bit, it never caused holes. Clearly, there are newer cleaning agents on the markets and they contain harsher chemicals that just aren't safe for frequent use.<o:p></o:p>
I have a combination of diapers, bleached, unbleached, organic, and bamboo, and I treat all the same. My bamboo has changed noticeably but is still soft and still very effective. I do not blame that change on ME, I understand (with my own research) that is the composition of the fabric!<o:p></o:p>
Instead of being so very negative towards ME, maybe we should all do our own research before we start blaming everyone but ourselves. Be honest with yourself and your cleaning methods. If I were trying to sell diapers, I would want them to be white (shiny and new looking) but when you don't get the result you were hoping for, ME should not be the one to blame! We make the choice to clean them the way we do. <o:p></o:p>
Daisycat, if you choose not to use ME anymore, that is your decision, but dragging ME's name through the dirt will not make your wounds feel better. You just create havoc and doubt in other customers' minds. I have only been CDing for 12 months, and I have not had ONE single whole or bald spot. Although I have never soaked my diapers in anything but Borax or detergent, I have used Oxi Clean and Bleach in the wash cycle. I have never had an issue. I cannot see how diapers would develop holes or bald spots with regular washing (and even a little bit extra 'something') in 6 months.<o:p></o:p>
I really hope that Daisycat will truly drop this, as I don't feel we should base our decisions upon what ONE person says. We all feel our own way towards ME and should not be swayed by one person's experience. I feel we can depend on ME for their honesty and quality products, why else would they have been in business for so long with such loyal customers!<o:p></o:p>
Instead of discussing our serious issues here first, may I suggest we all direct our concerns firstly to ME. Give them the chance to help us. If I ever have a simple question or looking for suggestions, I come here. Any ‘serious’ problems should be directed to the customer service.<o:p></o:p>
Good luck to all and I feel I have made the right choice by using ME on my precious little ones.<o:p></o:p>
Sincerely,<o:p></o:p>
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Hi Sarah,
I'm NOT taking sides here and I do love ME, but I have to say that I have NEVER used any additives like Oxy, Borax, or bleach on my new cotton Sandies and I do have some bald spots on them after only 6 months of use... I'm not blaming ME for it, but I just wanted to say that the bald spots are not necessarily due to "little extras" we add to our wash routine... Just my 2 cents!
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Hi Karen,
THanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I agree with so many of your points, and you are right that ME is a business, so they can`t necessarily give everyone the benefit of the doubt. It is just unfortunate that this is happening to a handful of people. I know that if it were to happen to me (touch wood) I would be soooo angry! Let`s hope it doesn`t happen to many more of us, because ME will have to react in a different way..again, who knows what they are doing on their end about all of this. Hopefully, they are sincerely looking into it so that we can figure out what is going on. Anyway, it is unfortunate that some of the posts are not as friendly as they used to be. Having this forum is a great way to ahsre ideas and air opinions, and it is even more beneficial when we can keep it peaceful!
THanks again, and I hope that all those mommies with bamboo issues figure out what is happening soon!
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I agree with Pichou on this. My husband would kill me if I spent 400$ on dipes and destroyed them by experimenting with cleaning agents..In fact, I don`t have a drop of bleach or Oxi clean in my house. The harshest stuff I have is Borax, and I don`t even use that anymore. Also, I do feel that 1 person`s experience is enough to make other consumers question their decision. Isn`t this why we have this post? I know I consulted this post regularly when I made the deciosn to go with ME and I couldn`t decide between Sandies or OS...many people`s opinions influenced my decsion to get OS diapers and bamboo dipes as well, and that`s great. I love my dipes, but I am worried and am constantly checking them, and that`s okay too! This is my first baby and I want them to last! Becasue of my fear, I will probably stick to bleached cotton should I need to get more dipes, and that`s okay too. I am still giving ME my business because I think they are great. But I know that I would be very upset if anything happened to my bamboo dipes.....I would be devestated! And depending on the age of my dipes, might request a new stash or at least a big discount, or something...but it all depends on the situtaion. I wouldn`t expect this after 2 years, but after 6 months, sure. In any case, I know that I follow ME washiong instructions to the letter, and I personally don`t care about stains, so I have no reason to use any harsh addidtives...the sun is my bleach.
Just thought I would share my opinion on this.
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