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| I have been using disposables for my son but I want to use cotton training pants to toilet train. I have some gerber ones but no covers for them (so no leak protection at all) since I just cant see how those horrible vinyl ones would be at all comfortable and many of the all in one training pants look really bulky and uncomfortable (especially around the leg openings). Also I wasnt sure my son would be able to effectively use a training pant with a separate cover, or how comfortable the newer nylon and similar covers are, or arent. I have looked at the training pants on here, Imse Vimse, Potty Scotty and Gerber and my head is spinning and I am so confused! I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this? Since I am just starting out I want my son to be able wet one time without leaks but feel uncomfortable which the disposables dont let him do. I want to know anything about this that I can. Training pants, covers, ease of use for the child and for me, tips on sleep versus waking trainers and especially opinions on brands and styles. My son is 35 lbs and wears about a 3T/4T. He has some developmental delays (tests at about a 12 month delay in language skills and is delayed in some fine motor skills) so I'd like to keep things as simple and straightforward as possible on his end. I hope this doesnt sound as complicated to some more seasoned pros out there as it does to me, anything that can point me in the right direction for what I need to purchase is appreciated! |
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I would suggest All in ones (a little expensive, but worth it). The ME AIO's are awesome. They are a diaper, but he will feel the wetness. They can go up and down easy. They do not leak and you can wash them. You can add a liner in them for night time and I never woke my daughter at night. I feel they will eventually do it on their own. As they train, they lean to hold it longer and longer. Every child learns differently and at their own pace.
Maybe call ME and see what they suggest. They have nice trial offer too. Good Luck! |
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Usually the covers are for use over cloth diapers, not so much for training pants. You could still use them for that and they would work ok, but they may be a little more ackward to pull up/down. Not that it would be *that* difficult, but for a child just starting out and that has fine motor skills delays then this may be something to consider.
I would suggest training pants like the Mother-Ease ones that are both absorbant and waterproof. There are other brands as well, Mother-Of-Eden Trickle-Free trainers and Bummis are two that come to mind. They should all be able to absorb one small-medium sized wettting without leaks but even that might be pushing it if he wets very rapidly, with a lot of force or in great amounts. If he does then perhaps something like a cloth diaper that can be pulled up/down might be a better bet for now. Many have used either All-In-Ones or the Sandy's diapers as training pants for the early stages. The Sandy's might be more ackward if you really want to use a cover but perhaps you could use them at home with no clothing on top so that waterproofness isn't as much of an issue.
Ones like Gerber really are more padded underwear than they are actual beginners training pants. In my experience they're more meant for toddlers that need just a smidge more absorbancy than regular underwear can offer (for those few drops that sometimes escape while running for the bathroom kind of thing).
For nighttime I would stick with diapers or at least something that offers the absorbancy of diapers. Unless your son wets very little or very rarely at night then cloth training pants won't offer the absorbancy you need. You could go either with the Sandy's, AIOs or something like a bedwetter pant (although he might be a bit small for those right now). I wouldn't worry too much about nighttime training right now, that almost always comes after daytime dryness. Sometimes it's soon after but often it's weeks, months or even years later.
One general tip that works well for many toddlers is to let them go naked (below the waist at least) while at home. They really tend to 'get it' much more quickly (because they can see/feel the results much more easily and associate them with the feelings that precede them). Plus it removes the issue of figuring out how to quickly getting clothing out of the way. Might not be workable if you have carpet at home but works fine for wood or laminate. You'll be cleaning up more messes but it could well make the whole process go much more quickly.
HTH, Karen. |
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| I've read the other posts and agree with them, but if you'd like a good training pant for a good price, I rec'd Kushies (in Canada at Seats and Wal-Mart and some smaller stores.) They sell vinyl-covered ones and "taffeta" ones for under 9 bucks each. I have a few, and like them. My son doesnt, but that's because he still wants to wear diapers! Potty learning is not going well for us at all, and he's my first baby, so I have no successes in this area! Ww're going to wait for the hot summer months and go pantless all day. |
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I had a lot of luck with kushies with my daughter. I bought them at Sears. I'm not sure why but the skin around my son's thigh sometimes gets caught in the elastic area and it leaves some marks occasionally.
I have been using Happy Heinies training pants for night training for my daughter. There are some with and without snaps. I have the ones without snaps and really like them. They are a pocket diaper and you can get a hemp or microfiber insert for night time if needed.
I found a few things with them for night time.
Cotton PJs are a must or else wicking may occur. If you have a back sleeper be sure the slit where the doubler goes needs to be at the front. You should not tuck the fleece inside around the legs but just let them pull them up and leave it be otherwise you will probably have leaks due to wicking.
These run pretty big so there's no need to upsize. My son is 18 mos. so I am going to get some of these for him as well for night time. Once he starts potty training I will use them in the daytime as well without the insert. The only real disadvantage that I can forsee is that without snaps BMs will be hard to clean up.
Good luck!
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I had a lot of luck with kushies with my daughter. I bought them at Sears. I'm not sure why but the skin around my son's thigh sometimes gets caught in the elastic area and it leaves some marks occasionally.
I have been using Happy Heinies training pants for night training for my daughter. There are some with and without snaps. I have the ones without snaps and really like them. They are a pocket diaper and you can get a hemp or microfiber insert for night time if needed.
I found a few things with them for night time.
Cotton PJs are a must or else wicking may occur. If you have a back sleeper be sure the slit where the doubler goes needs to be at the front. You should not tuck the fleece inside around the legs but just let them pull them up and leave it be otherwise you will probably have leaks due to wicking.
These run pretty big so there's no need to upsize. My son is 18 mos. so I am going to get some of these for him as well for night time. Once he starts potty training I will use them in the daytime as well without the insert. The only real disadvantage that I can forsee is that without snaps BMs will be hard to clean up.
I have ME AIOs as well and I think they are great. We are currently using these at night with cut up folded receiving blankets with a lot of success. I love them in the daytime especially when needing convenience after swimming etc. These however are not a training pant but would be a good in between step between diapers and training pants.
Good luck!
Lona E |
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Can I comment on using the covers in potty training, lets just say if they have an accident it can go everywhere (from experience)LOL.
I suggested the AIO because they can feel the wetness vs the sposies but still have better absorption than the training pant. Also when I potty train, I focused more on them learning to go potty first and assisted them in the up and down of the pants. If he has developmental delays, I think you may be helping him for a little while in the bathroom, so undoing a diaper should not be too bad. I really agree with the naked thing too.
My ds potty trained in one week. (My dd was maybe over the weekend.) We have had some accidents but it was mostly BM or if he was playing outside. I just put him in underwear and never looked back. I figured I washed diapers, why not clothes. He was suppose to be very difficult to potty train as he is very strong willed, but he was not. I did however reward well with candy. Lots of candy (I rarely give him candy which is why this worked so well). I started with a smartie if he sat down and then a jelly belly bean if he peed. for the BM I used new underwear meaning that if he put bm in the potty (even after an accident) he got a cool new pair of underwear of his choice(whatever character he liked). I just bought them and washed them and put them back in the pack. |
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| Someone recommended George training underwear to me last week. They are just thick underwear from what I can see. I went to buy some at Walmart today but the entire section for size 24 mos. was sold out so they must be somewhat popular. I am thinking of using these at home and seeing just how much they leak. Maybe they won't be too bad and we can use training pants when out. |
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Wow! You want to come potty train together? How old is your son? My boys are 26 mo (2y2m) with delays in language (score at 15-18 mo depending on the test: finally have about 20 words, can point to about 15 body parts but can follow only very routine directions, don't imitate sounds in environment but are imitating lots of words now, no humming to singing to music, no adjectives expressively or receptively, not even imitating two word phrases), fine motor (very mild after lots of therapy), self-help/adaptive and cognitive are slightly higher than language, social just a little above that, and gross motor not delayed (except they can't jump). So, I am feeling kind of like you right now, I think. We have not started potty training because the boys cannot follow directions enough. They are interested in the potty, but don't show bladder control.
What I think I am going to do is use ME All-in-One and then also make some training pants (I just don't have money to buy any). One of my boys can very easily pull down his pants and diaper (airflow and Sandy or AIO) as one unit without unfastening the diaper at all. He can't pull them up at all, but I am able to pull up the AIO myself with it totally snapped (sometimes needing slight adjustment to be sure no fabric is sticking out). I can do the same thing with a Sandy and cover, but I think this would be too difficult for a child to pull up. What I plan on making would be like an AIO in that it would be the cover and some absorbant layers in one unit, but also have a pocket in the back to I can add liners inside to keep it as one unit. That way I can have it thinner when we are well into potty training, but more absorbant when we are still using diapers and just starting training. This will also allow for snaps on the sides for easy clean-ups. I don't think the ME training pants would work. I bought one to take a look at it and I just don't think it will be absorbant enough until we are at the point where there are slight pees running to the potty. One thing I have noticed with my boys is that when I am undressing them to take a bath and all that is left is the diaper without the cover, they are very uncomfortable if the diaper is wet. They stand there trying to keep their legs as far apart as possible. I do not see this level of discomfort with a cover on. However, without a cover on (as sometimes happens if I have to run to the laundry room to get a cover or if someone has diaper rash), the force of even a small-medium pee can go right through the diaper.
So, my suggestion is to buy one of the ME All-in-Ones. My boys are about 31 and 33 lbs and they would be able to pull down the XL without it being on the largest snap, but the L would be difficult. So I would just check to be sure the XL is big enough. These diapers are not the most absorbant, but are certainly absorbant enough for one pee. You could also buy one of the ME training pants to check it out, but I think this would be for later use. These are just the suggestions of a mom who hasn't potty trained yet, but who has done some research including looking into the possible length of potty training in kids with disabilities/developmental delays.
If you want, feel free to e-mail me at karinmoore at comcast dot net. |
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The ME training pants can indeed work and very well. They worked fabulous with my son and would contain one whole pee, not just small dribbles. I would even use them for naps when I knew he wouldn't be waking up to pee so if he went, he just went. With my girls they didn't work as well and I suspect this is because they would pee with extreme force, overwhelming the training pant. I think lack of absorbancy was only a very small factor in this though because we often had the same problem with disposable training pants and those things are as absorbant as disposable diapers! It's even possible that the sizing wasn't right for the girls, I suspect they're smaller than their brother was at the same age...
Karen. |
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How did you handle the ME training pants when a child pooped in them?
I did put the training pant on one of my boys once when he had diaper rash (I thought it may let in a little more air) and he peed through it. However, I will admit that I don't know if that was the force of the pee (my boys peeing right through a Sandy due to force could indicate that) or absorbancy. I was thinking, in terms of absorbancy, about ME stating that they do not have the absorbancy of a diaper. |
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Admitedly poop in a training pant (or underwear for that matter) isn't very pleasant. Usually the poop is solid enough and the child cooperative enough that you can pull it down with the child standing up and manage a minimum of mess. But this is something you have to deal with when it comes to the majority of training pants. I've only ever heard of two brands that come with snaps on them. One of them is the Mother-Of-Eden ones I recomended. They're very similar to the ME ones except for the snaps.
And ME does actually state that the training pants don't have the absorbancy of a diaper. They're not meant to though, they're meant to absorb small accidents, maybe one pee at most. They're meant to essentially be slightly more absorbant underwear with a waterproof barrier. You want the child to know and feel the difference. You don't want them to feel like they're just in a pull-on diaper, in a way that would defeat the purpose for many kids. Sure, the training pant will get soaked with a full urination, but in a way that's actualy the point as the child really can't 'miss' that they've peed kwim?
Of course all this means that there's more a chance of a leak than with diapers and poops are messier to deal with than with diapers, but then I guess if it's really becoming a huge problem then maybe it's best to just put them back in diapers for a while...
Karen. |
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| Karen, you have confirmed what I already felt: my boys, at 26 months, are no where near ready to potty train! I do try to change their diaper after each pee even now and I don't know if a ME training pant would or would not hold that. But, that I won't worry about now. My boys do clearly notice when they are wet when they have their diapers on, but still hate being changed enough that even if they tell me they are wet they run and fuss not wanting to be changed. I would expect the training process to be long with my boys and that is why I do anticipate having to start with something more absorbant than the ME training pant, but would hope to be able to move to something more like underswear like that in time. As a special ed teacher I know training can take years in kids with developmental/cognitive delays. Also, my boys' poops are often very, very loose so I can't see having something without snaps until we are well into the process. Ah, the things to think about (but don't have to worry about now). Thanks for your thoughts! |
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26 months is a little on the young side even for any toddler. Sure, some are all done at that age, but plenty aren't even close.
My advice, if they show signs that this isn't go to be easy, just put it aside for now and don't worry about it. Keep the potty around, talk about it fairly frequently, offer them to sit on it every so often to see how they react but I say just keep them in diapers until you think they're really really ready.
My mother-in-law always started early with her kids but fully admits that she was more 'trained' than they were since she had to take them potty every 20 minutes for months. She prefered that to changing diapers. Personally I would rather change diapers for those extra months rather than try to 'train' a child that's just not ready or interested. And being interested is definetly a very key component. My twins were most definetly physically capable of everything and would go days even a couple of weeks doing really well. Then suddenly they'd lose all interest and just constantly make messes in their pants. Then just as suddenly, and for no apparent reason, they'd suddenly be interested again. This cycle went on for months and drove me nuts because I never knew if I should put them back in diapers or not. Mine also hated being changed with a passion (they'd physically fight me wanting to clean up poopy diapers or wet pants!).
Hopefully you won't have issues like that but considering you have two to train (that's way more than double the work of one!) and that they have other delays, I wouldn't even consider training at this point.
Karen. |
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My boys have the interest but not the ability! Although it may seem strange, I actually put their potties away because they were becoming such an issue. They used them as a toy and a game (loving to sit on them and even mad when I wouldn't let them for very long periods when trying to get on pajamas or get dressed, but it was obviously without true purpose) and I can see this taking away from the real purpose when the boys are able to learn. I am in no way a fan of parent training and have always thought I would wait until at least two and a half. And, truly, I can't understand why a child who is visibly uncomfortable in a wet or poopy diapers kicks me so much when trying to get rid of the discomfort!
I now live in the south in the US and find the culture to be quite different from living in the Pacific Northwest and when I grew up on Guam. I was shocked when my boys' doctor told me that many blacks (with respect to culture and not race) start potty training at 18 months and beging punishing the kids by two if there are any accidents! This shocked me as it goes so much against what is the reality of development and just physical ability to control the bladder! So perhaps I'll go for the other extreme (while trying to ensure I don't miss the appropriate window)! |
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You know, even without any developmental issues, neither of my boys has been capable even of pulling up and down regular underwear by the time they've been potty trained (28 months and 30ish--still not perfect). I don't think it's about true ability, but utter lack of interest in dressing themselves. They seem/ed totally confused and DS#2, currently working on it, will walk around with his underwear up in front and down in back and have no idea what to do about it. Although other people's children may be able to deal with the up-and-down at the time they are ready to train, I have had to be very involved with every potty visit, so for me it hasn't been a big deal to do the training with regular diapers and covers rather than training pants. Now, with older kids or more dextrous kids with initiative, they might make a real difference, but mine not only couldn't care less about helping with the up-down, but also couldn't care less about diaper vs underwear, so I've stuck with the diapers until they're really trustworthy and then go straight to undies. I know that's not the method for everyone, esp. if the child is aware/cares/motivated about getting out of diapers, but it's worked for us. I also have to say that with DS#2 I'd switched him to undies a while back, but then he had a few poop accidents. Ugh. They were horrid to clean up, so we've gone to mostly using OS without covers so that should he have an accident (somehow they only seem to happen in undies, why is that?) I can un-snap (and he's so skinny that the little extra helps keeps some pants up!) If I were going to use training pants in a period of real transition, I would definitely find something with snaps pretty darn attractive. I agree with Karen--even if they're physically capable of PTing, if they're going to fight you, just don't even go there for a while.
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Yeah, I still don't understand why they'd fight me either. They did this starting at about 18 months or so, fighting diaper changes like mad. They especially hated being wiped, they would quite literally kick, scream and try to get away everytime it was time to change them. It was really quite emotionally draining to have to physically wrestle with two screaming & kicking poopy toddlers several times a day. I seriously think that fate sent me two last little challenges as a way of making sure I wouldn't have anymore babies!! ;-)
Karen. |
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| DS#1 fought for a while--fortunately he got over that well before 2, but man, he was a bruiser, and that thrashing was so hard on my wrists and thumbs. I had to work out how to pin him down, basically--not ideal at all, but that's what it took. DH was changing him only in the evenings so didn't have the technique, and I'd be doing the dishes and hear these calls: "Code blue! Code blue! Wife, heeeelp meeeeee!" DH was also convinced for a while that DS reserved these struggles just for him. And that was only one! Can't imagine having to do that for two day in and day out . . . |
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I too had major issues with that which is where the potty traing helped us. He is soooo independant. He still fights me on bedtime diapers. He has to wear them because he maybe pees in them once a week at most.
I am not trying to promote any other companies products but I did see a diaper/pull up cloth thing a mom is making. It has a pocket system and sides similar to a pull up and open. |
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Thanks to all of you for the thoughts on potty training! They have really helped me! I was beginning to go a little crazy, as we are currently dealing with some of the issues mentioned. It's good to know we're not alone.
Maybe this is a little late to answer the original question, but I'll share my experience. We started training our son about 3 months ago (when he was 22 months). We did an intensive 3 day training, putting him on the toilet every 20 minutes or so, and this really helped him to “get” the idea. Since then, we take him when he tells us, or else when he starts doing a “potty dance.” He gets stickers for rewards. He also got new “big boy underwear” (cotton training pants – no plastic cover), which he loves. (BTW, I know these systems are not supported by everyone, but I agree that there's no perfect program that works for all families.) The training pants are just easier for me to deal with versus snapping diapers, working with covers, etc. I decided against the plastic covered trainers simply due to cost.
My son has been doing great until just recently. He would have occasional “leaks” and would wear a diaper at nap and bed time, and when we go out. Unfortunately, he not only has not progressed from there, he has taken a small step backward. He seems to have no interest in keeping his underwear dry. I guess he knows we'll give him a dry pair, so what's the big deal? We've stopped giving him stickers unless his underwear are completely dry, but it hasn't seemed to help. Fortunately, he hates going poop in his diaper or underwear so we rarely have to deal with that!
Part of the problem, I think, is that he gets very involved in activities. I think he doesn't realize he needs to go to the toilet until it's a little too late. Also, because public restrooms are not readily available where we live, we put him in a diaper every time we go out. I'm sure this is confusing to him, but I don't know what else to do. He has almost never fought me during a diaper change, and when his pants get wet, he wants them off NOW.
My son also has no interest in pulling up/down his pants. He's usually too busy singing or chattering. Maybe he's just lazy? The only article of clothing he wants to put on is his socks. Naturally - since they're almost impossible for him to put on! Of course, he'd be happiest if I'd let him run around without any clothes, so maybe that's the real issue! 
I have to ask the question: When someone says “My child was trained in one week,” what do you mean by that?? After one week, the child is strictly in underwear and only rarely has an accident? I find that amazing. I don't doubt the truth of it, but it's so different from my experience. Some may say that we started too early. However, I was getting a lot of outside pressure, and so I decided to give it a try. My mom even commented that I needed to start earlier because she knew it would take a long time. (That made little sense to me, I have to say!) When my son did so well in the beginning, I thought we had made the right decision. Now we seem in limbo between underwear and diapers!
On a side note, I'm from the South, and I'm sadly surprised to hear about those who discipline for accidents (especially so early!). I've honestly never heard of that, but then PT has not been a big topic of my conversation until recently! |
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